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October 26, 2012

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Yvonne DiVita

Jonathan, interesting response. Here's the problem, I'm not hating on anyone. I'm not even disagreeing - you can believe what you like, so can the Catholic Church. But, if they want to EMPLOY people, they need to be subject to the SAME laws as any other employer. Being asked to supply healthcare (yes, birth control is healthcare in many ways), is one of the things they are being asked to do... just like any other employer. I do not think they get to wave the religion card because it's not in their moral teachings. Really... this is the Catholic Church, which supported and hid child molesters for years! I think that's hypocritical.

Just as employers are subject to safety laws, and making sure employees get paid for the work they do (and don't get me started on equal pay, which Republicans think is overrated, I guess since they didn't approve the Lilly Ledbetter Act), employers that provide health insurance don't get to say, Oh, only for these things - that I like - not for the things I don't like. Honestly, if every business could pick and choose what health insurance covered, we'd be in a real pickle.

The church, in this instance, is an employer. They are subject to the same rules. They can't tell their employees how to live, what to say, what to believe... and they can't say, "I don't believe in birth control, so you can't have it." That's my opinion... no spin. Just opinion.

Jonathan Trenn

OK...you say you don't get it. You don't get why people are so filled with anger and hate. You then go on to tell us your views (no harm in that). But you do it by using your own spin.

Regarding the birth control issue. No one is denying others access to birth control. The argument of the Catholic Church is essentially that since they are against birth control (which is their right) then they shouldn't BE FORCED BY THE GOVERNMENT to have to pay health insurance premiums that cover birth control.

Not wanting to be forced to pay for a service that is against its moral teachings is not the same thing as actually denying those services. It also is not about telling their employees what to believe.

So what happens is some people disagree with you on an issue like that. I'm sure we could go out and find people who disagree with you on most of the issues that you mentioned above. Or at least disagree with your rhetoric. Your spin. If you got in a discussion with them, it would likely end in an argument. Some would think that was hate.

That's how hate happens.

J_robotic

Yvonne, I get it. There is a principle of self preservation that is a new concept to the disenfranchised. It is a known fact that the poor give (percentage-wise) more than the rich. The country was founded on self-preservation - one group joining forces with each other (and therefore exploiting another) without regard to civil liberties or justice.
As African-American surgeon and mentor to many young physicians across the country, I teach them not to get hung up on race and class, but simply to become one with God, their families, and loved ones. They can help no one until they've helped themselves.
Al Sharpton is the classic self preservationist. He champions justice for Trayvon Martin, but isn't so enthusiastic about Autumn Pasquale. We have become a "survival of the fittest" society, and only through divine intervention will man's inhumanity to man be eliminated.

J. Crews, MD, MBA
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Donna DeClemente

I don't get it either Yvonne. I keep saying that over and over to my husband. You've really hit the issues right on here. I'm going to share this post.

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